Post Office against Diggers? Hmmmm

Posted on 30 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

Incoming email from James Campaglia. See Outhouse Patrol

On Friday Aug 24th, a friend and I went to the state run historical society (McFarland Curatorial Center) in Virginia City, Montana to see what they could show us that had been dug in Virginia City. And to see what knowledge they had on the artifacts found in outhouses and in general to say hi and explain that we have like interests. I later learned we do not have the same interest! The archaeology woman was gone to a seminar. There was a small box of relics on a table so I asked questions about these items that I associated with being found in an outhouse. The guy we met with did have some info and was able to tell us that some bones in the box were of an ox (I knew that). I told him about bottles and by the second sentence I felt that I had him lost. We were not to touch these artifacts (perhaps the DNA would of been ruined) but I touched anyways. He was cordial and gave me some area info. I am told by locals that the archaeology woman does not like us, yet has never met us or has not taken it upon herself to come see us which is an open invitation I gave to others in this state run center. We dug all day Friday and continued that weekend but no state workers stopped by.

Those that I invited, once in an outhouse I am sure would not be able to climb back out. Perhaps that is why they didn’t stop by after I let them know I would loan them a shovel so they could show us their skills. I feel the shovel might of been a threat since they use tweezers, toothpicks, and toothbrushes to excavate old excrement.

I still am in disbelief about this story that was told to me by one of the state guys” “we get calls when the water company hits some artifacts or when a wall is being shored up. We then go out and dig 1 by 1 foot squares a few inches at a time until we find the needed artifacts. One hole we feel was an outhouse had a burlap bag with something hard like metal in it. So I asked, “what was in the bag?”, “I don’t know we were done with the project at the 3 foot level so buried the hole!”, “We had dug all we needed by that time”. He also said they dig seeds on the top soils of the outhouse and can tell what local foods were eaten by this. Seeds float to the bottom not the top! The depth or other important artifacts will never be known now that they completed what they needed to do. (Or the budget permitted).

Take a look at the attached poster (see above) which is now hanging in the local post office (and maybe other places) behind glass after having been approved to be hung. I am still trying to find out who hung this. This nonsense just makes me work harder to find bottles on private land in and around Virginia City. Where we are currently digging in a field is outside city limits and I wish they had spent a week or so digging and finding the small amount we did after a lot of effort. Apparently they feel we charge money to dig outhouses which I don’t know of anyone being able to pull that off!

I would sure like to see them go find some of the outhouses in fields we search! Big nasty trash dumps with bones, tin, etc. and a chance of a rattlesnake is all we have found lately. The one outhouse last Monday had some common bottles and Chinese relics. I offered to donate anything they might want to display but learned there is no display or way of educating the public as to what they have found. I asked where the items are and got the same darn answer I get from any state run organization or museum in regards to bottles “In boxes in a room not accessible!!!!!!!!!!”

Regards,
James

Update from James Campiglia 02 September 2012:

HI Ferd,

Thanks for posting that for me. Others might as well know how we are not liked by the states.

Update:

Tried to meet with the archaeology mgr. girl. Doors all locked at state building, but people inside doing something. Sign says make an appointment. I still need a phone number to do this. After talking to others they agree we have done nothing wrong, they love us in Virginia City (talked to other business owners, etc) and its very childish whoever put this sign up there and allows it to hang. Last week I went and tore their sign down. Put up a bunch of my business cards in place. Its just a bulletin board not the locked one I thought, but still inside the post office. I saw more of these posters around town too! My friend, not Reggie with OuthousePatrol but a younger friend and I who enjoys the bars and drinks ventured up to the other bar. Out on the bench is where people hang out to smoke and we stopped to say hi to a few we have seen around town before. When they asked “what are you here doing again” and Gabe said “digging for bottles in outhouses” a lady got up and left. We didn’t think much of it but a little while later found out she is Kate the state archaeologist! She will not talk to us we were told. She went in to hang with a rough looking man and I decided to leave it alone but Gabe was enjoying the strong rum and cokes more than I so went to try to talk to her. He let her know we have the same interests and just want to learn more of what they do. The male friend told him to get lost- but in not such nice words and we had better get out of town we are not wanted. Ok this is too much! I wanted to then go over but I hadn’t been in a bar room brawl in years, or I guess never, but it sounded like maybe it would make the papers “Outhouse Diggers don’t just kick cans…or OuthouseDiggers don’t take no S**t!????”
Well Gabe tried to talk to her once again and invite her to come dig but I see this will never happen. The state will remain separated from other humans not on their level. A lady friend wants me to call her friend, the lieutenant Governor. Perhaps he can do an investigation as to what is going on. All that we talked to in town basically has had their business harassed and any progress stopped for years due to this state funded deal not allowing anyone to do anything. In Virginia City many buildings have old time displays showing life in the stores in the 1800’s. One building is in shambles. The lady has waited 3 years for the state to set up a display that she is more than capable of doing as runs a very fine gift and book store there. The large crane, one of 5 known in the World, was cut up and salvaged and still everyone is amazed the state workers took that upon themselves to do, with or without approval on a higher level. The crane was an amazing focal point by old mining equiptment in Nevada City (the other state run old town outside of Virginia City).

We will move on but not after letting others know that we tread light on land, fix it better than when we started when we can, and we are not paid to dig outhouses. I have called the local paper for an interview so other can learn more about us and the historic research that we do. If the local paper does a story on us i will send it in here! I am running nice big display ads to buy bottles and that we will pay to dig your outhouse. The many donations from OuthousePatrol.com that we gave to the Firemans Ball for this next weekend, Sept 8th, will also put our name out there even more. Nearly everything we dug is being dontated for the silent auction.
We have made display with old horseshoes, miners shovels, etc. that we found in holes and at a blacksmith shop. We must of found 200 horseshoes now from the 1870’s to 90’s period we figure, although no expert on these shoes.
Pics of our digs, the town, and some historical info. will get posted on our OuthousePatrol.com probably next week as soon as I get some time.

Heres’s a couple pics for you, or the site. The big bone pit was a pain. Full of rocks and tin and broken bottles, but not many broken but we all agreed the toughest dig we had ever had.
Thanks,
James
http://www.jameschips.com
http://www.outhousepatrol.com/

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How we Transported our Goods, Beer and Liquor Back Then

Posted on 30 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

BigWagonHow we Transported our Goods, Beer and Liquor Back Then

30 August 2012 (R•040915) (R•041815) (R•061617) (R•102618) (R•040119 – Moxie Wagon)

Apple-Touch-IconAAs you may have noticed of late, I have been developing a number of posts dealing with historical photographs. It started earlier this year with glass houses and factories, boys that worked in glass houses and then moved on to a series of historical drinking photographs. I really enjoy looking and studying all of these old pictures. Today I posted some great photographs of primarily transport wagons.

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I am sitting in the building in the next three pictures below, typing this post now. These are my design offices in downtown Houston in the historic Wagon Works building.

Read More: Glass Works and Glass Factories – Hell on Earth?

Read More: Boys in Glass Houses – Taking on the Mannerisms of Men

Read More: Photographs of People Drinking

Read More: Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part II

Read More: Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part III

Read More: Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part IV (Brewing)

Read More: United States in the 1800′s and early 1900′s

Texas Wagon Works before becoming Eller Wagon Works (see below). My design offices for FMG Design are located within this building. The train tracks are beneath the paved street now.

Eller Wagon Works building – Circa 1910. My design offices for FMG Design are located within this building. You can still see the faded graphics on the facade of the building. So cool. I’m sitting the first floor corner in between the two white wagons. – photo FMG

Eller Wagon Works is actual FMG studio space – Circa 1910. My design offices for FMG Design are located within this EXACT space. I am looking at those same steel columns and windows now as I write. No dirt floors though. – photo FMG

Galveston Brewing Company and Bottling Works, unknown date.

The famous Watkins Man makes his pitch. Notice the bottles in both hands. – photo Steve Ketcham

Bower & Company General Store – In 1914 the Bower & Company General Store was located at 2643 North High Street, Clintonville, Ohio. This is their delivery wagon around 1914.

Historic photo of  a wagon of Green Brewer’s Hops at a Newberg, Oregon, Willamette River Valley farm in 1939 – photo by Al Monner

Beer delivery wagon for Louis Gluntz. Notice the Schlitz graphics on the side of the wagon. – photo Steve Ketcham


Kentucky Wagon Manufacturing Company (Old Hickory Wagon vignette). From a beautifully engraved certificate from the Kentucky Wagon Manufacturing Company issued in 1914.

A pro-prohibition horse-drawn wagon in a parade in Phoenix – circa 1916. Bootlegger’s Take Warning, Arizona’s Dry.

Budweiser Clydesdales in D.C. after the repeal of Prohibition.

Wagons and early automobiles share the street in downtown Joplin, Missouri. Date unknown.

A Minneapolis or St. Paul delivery wagon – photo Steve Ketcham

A Minneapolis dairy – photo Steve Ketcham

A bit blurry since the photo subject was moving in a parade. We have no idea where this one was taken. – photo Steve Ketcham

Washington, D.C. 1922. “J.C.L. Ritter – Polli Food Products truck.” – National Photo Company Collection glass negative

Morning rounds – Dairy delivery truck

Fred D. Follet, the milk man.

This photograph was taken in the latter part of the 1800’s, and shows the market square in Cleburne, Texas.

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The original Mayer Bottling Plant. Charles Mayer is standing in front of wagon with hat and vest on. The wagon to the right appears to be driven by Joseph Drackert. He owned the Drackert delivery, hauling and storage company in Hammond and delivered the bottles for Charles. The two young boys are probably Charles’ sons. ** (Hammond Brewing Co. Indiana)

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P Stumpf & Co Wagon

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Billson’s Brewery

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Irish Travellers also called pavees, tinkers or gypsies, are a traditionally itinerant ethnic group who maintain a set of traditions. Although predominantly English speaking, some also use Shelta and other similar cants. They live mostly in Ireland as well as having large numbers in the United Kingdom and in the United States. Their origin is disputed. Around 10,000 people in the United States are descendants of Travellers who left Ireland, mostly during the period between 1845 and 1860 during the Great Famine. About 2,500 of them live in Murphy Village, a community outside North Augusta, South Carolina. [Wikipedia]

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Vaseline Hair Tonic wagon

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Early oil transportation wagons.

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Local Fire Department wagon

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Saw your updated wagon post and thought of this “real photo” postcard. Let us not forget that bitters too, were delivered by horse and cart. This is the S 134 Smyrna Bitters. The post card is undated. – Joe Gourd

Horse pulled wagon for the Philadelphia Circus.

Overloaded Wells Fargo Express wagon

Moxie marketing wagon. Dr. Augustin Thompson set up practice in Lowell, MA, which was home to many patent medicines. He wanted to make a cure-all which did not contain harmful ingredients like cocaine and alcohol.

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Mike AKA Chinchillaman1 AKA Mike’s Bottle Room

Posted on 29 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

I received this response on facebook to my recent post Cool Embossings 2:

Those are all cool!!! but I’m saddened by the fact that you didn’t mention any NYC stuff, there are some amazing embossing on blobs, Olbermeyer and Liebmann, Easter Brewing Co, John Kress Brewing Co, Defender Bottling Co, Jos. Strohmenger / Fred Opperman Jr. Turtle Bay Brewery Lagar Beer. and an NJ, Feigenspan Brewing Co. I though for sure one of them would be on the list, the Olbermeyer usually is. Michael Urbanski

My response:

Don’t be sad. Just send me pictures like most are doing. Agree for sure that I am weak in beers unless Rick DeMarsh or others jump in. These posts are numbered so let’s do beers next. Tks

Michael:

They are all here on my website:  Mike’s Bottle Room

I got to looking at Michael’s web site and realized that this guy is a pretty talented digger who seems really ahead of the curve regarding finding, collecting, photographing and posting about primarily New York blob top beers. His web site is organized, visually attractive and covers historically the areas of New York City such as Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, Coney Island etc. Michael’s home page reads as follows:

Welcome!

For those of you who don’t know who I am, my name is Mike AKA Chinchillaman1. I’m a Youtube Bottle Digger so to speak which means that I collect bottles and post the videos of various digs or elements of my collection onto Youtube. This site is for those who want to get into the hobby of bottle hunting, metal detecting or any treasure hunting hobby in general, or for those who want to find out about the history of bottles that they might already own. Ive been a collector for two years and my goal is to find out about the histories of all of the bottles that I have, local especially. If you’d like to view my bottle digging channel here is the link: http://www.youtube.com/chinchillaman1

If You Have Any Information On The Bottles Marked, No Info, Please Send Me An Email. I Am Looking For The History Of The Companies Specifically. Thank You!

A few of my favorite bottles after perusing his site, which he says he has more bottles to add:

COLONIAL BOTTLING CO. / COLONIAL BREWING, NY Blob, Address: 267-269 W. 17th St., This is one of the rarest bottles in my collection. Not only is it extremely scarce, it is also a prototype with multiple mistakes. This will get a little complicated: The Colonial Brewery opened in 1897, successors to the Bavarian Star Brewing Co of 1891-1897, at 240 W. 18th st. It closed in 1899, and the brewery was sold to the Eastern Brewing Co. as the Colonial Branch. The Eastern Brewing Co. was based in Brooklyn and this Manhattan branch was only in operation from 1901-1902. This bottle however, is a prototype, it says Colonial Bottling Co. instead of Colonial Brewery, and the address is incorrect as well, probably because the building for the company wasnt purchased yet. There is no record of the prototype anywhere. The design around the Indian trademark is also incorrect. – Urbanski Collection

THE JOHN KRESS BREWING CO. BOTTLING DEPARTMENT, Manhattan Blob Top, Address: 207 E. 54th St., The company opened in 1863 and closed in 1904. The founders applied for bankruptcy after mounting debt, liabilities, and fines due to hazardous working conditions. – Urbanski Collection

CARL H. SCHULTZ, NEW YORK, NY Vichy Water, Address: 430-444 1st Ave., In 1862, young German Carl Schultz was reselling mineral water in New York City which was being imported from France, more specifically Vichy water from a special area. By 1868 he was sued by the French over copyrights on label titles using the word Vichy in it and for reselling their spring water. He then decided to make his own Vichy water and the company was born the same year. By the late 1890s millions of bottles and siphons were being produced and distributed. By that time he began to lose money as it cost more to make the bottles and siphons then he had earned selling the drink. He died on May 29 1897 from Pneumonia, leaving his family in debt to pay back for the bottles. The company immediately closed that same year. – Urbanski Collection

JOS. STROHMENGER / FRED OPPERMAN JR. TURTLE BAY BREWERY LAGAR BEER, Address: 322 E. 45th St. & 785 1st Ave. E. 44th St. This bottle is from Oceanic NJ, but was brewed and made in Manhattan. The company started in 1850. Its first official address was at 320 E. 46th St. under the name J.G. Gillig and Fred Oppermann. In 1876 the name changed to Oppermann & Mueller. The address changed as well to 44th & 45th St., Between 1st & 2nd Ave. In 1878 the company changed its name again to Frederick Oppermann Jr. Brewing Co. in 1892 the company was bough tout by the Conville Brewing Co. until it closed in 1911. It is unclear how or when the company moved to N.J., nor were any dates recorded associated with the move. – Urbanski Collection

OBERMEYER & LIEBMANN, BROOKLYN Blob Top, Address: 59 & 71 Bremen St. & Noll St. On November 27th 1854, a German immigrant named Samuel Liebmann purchased a brewery in Williamsburg which would become the greatest brewery in New York over the course of the next 100 years. In 1868 he retired, and in 1872 he passed away, leaving the business to his three sons, Joseph, Henry, and Charles. It is unclear which of the sons branched off to create the S. Liebmann’s Sons Brewing Co. The company was successful until 1905, when it was passed down to their grandsons. To this day, no one is sure where the name Obermeyer comes from in the companie’s history. – Urbanski Collection

HENRY SIERICHS & CO. / Queens, Small Blob Top, Address: 159 Elizabeth St., The company opened in 1875 in Manhattan and close in 1917 in Queens. This bottler was a member of the Rockaway Bottlers Protective Association of Rockaway Beach, NY. – Urbanski Collection

J. H. CURRIE SARSAPARILLA / NEW YORK, Address: Unknown, No info on this bottle. – Urbanski Collection

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Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part IV (Brewing)

Posted on 29 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part IV (Brewing)

29 August 2012

Ketcham | Brewing Gallery

Steve Ketcham
Early American Bottles, Advertising, and Stoneware
www.antiquebottledepot.com

Apple-Touch-IconAPresenting the fourth gallery of vintage pictures from up North as new material has come in from Steve Ketcham. If you have any candidates for inclusion in future galleries, please forward. Thanks.

The reverse of this photo says it was taken at one of the Minneapolis Brewing Company sites, but we cannot confirm it. Note the fellows holding tools of their trade (especially the maltsters with their shovels) as well as the fruits of their labors. – Steve Ketcham


Though unconfirmed, we believe this is an image of the Joseph Schmucker Brewery of New Ulm, Minnesota. The name on the wagon seems to read “Schmucker.” – Steve Ketcham

One of our all-time favorite images shows employees of the Milwaukee Waukesha Brewing Company of Waukesha, Wisconsin. They produced Fox Head Beer. Note the fox on a leash at the front of the group. Here again, many of the fellows are holding either tools of the trade or a glass, stein, or bottle of brew. – Steve Ketcham

Another one of our favorites. This photo captures the crew at the St. Paul, Minnesota, bottling plant of the Anheuser-Busch Brewing Company. It is dated 1909 on the reverse, and the location is listed as being at the foot of Chestnut Street. – Steve Ketcham

Edward Drewry bought the Redwood Brewery in 1877. The company eventually brewed in Indiana for the American market. Edward Drewry is said to be related to the Drewry brewing and bottling family of St. Paul, Minnesota. Look for the tools of the various brewery trades these boys are holding. – Steve Ketcham

Louis Sadar, my wife’s grandfather, is shown here driving the Fitger Beer wagon in the Iron Range town of Eveleth, Minnesota. This photo was taken prior to 1917, the year Louis died. – Steve Ketcham

Minneapolis United Brewery Workmen sit proudly for a Labor Day, 1901, group photo. – Steve Ketcham

Originally owned by the Heinrich Brewing Association, this facility became a part of the Minneapolis Brewing Company in 1890 when it merged with three other breweries. Nearly everyone is enjoying a cold one, and these fellows chose to exaggerate the foam atop their steins just a bit. Maybe some crumpled paper? – Steve Ketcham

According to writing found on the reverse, this photo was taken at the cooperage of the Lauritzen Malt Company of Minneapolis. – Steve Ketcham

Because this image was taken in Watertown, South Dakota, we believe this elevator was used to store South Dakota grain prior to shipping it to the Gund Brewing Company in La Crosse. – Steve Ketcham

Filling kegs in an unidentified brewery. – Steve Ketcham

(Left Picture – see below) This pre-Prohibition photo of the crew at the Hamm’s Brewing Co. Bottling Department is over 24 inches long. We had to take two shots to get it all. Sorry, but we have no photo stitch software. – Steve Ketcham

(Right Picture – see above) This pre-Prohibition photo of the crew at the Hamm’s Brewing Co. Bottling Department is over 24 inches long. We had to take two shots to get it all. Sorry, but we have no photo stitch software. – Steve Ketcham

Photographs of People Drinking – Part I

Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part II

Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part III

Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part IV (Brewing)

Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part V

Photographs and Images of People Drinking – Part VI

Possibly the Earliest Photograph of People Drinking Beer – Part VII

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Cool Embossings 2

Posted on 28 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

Cool Embossings 2

28 August 2012

Apple-Touch-IconAThis is the second post in the series titled “Cool Embossings”. See Cool Bottle Embossings 1. As a designer, I just love seeing these images on bottles. So cool. This is a living and breathing post, meaning I would like to collect and add other examples. Thanks!

“COLUMBUS” / (motif of Columbus in a barrel) / “ON A BARREL” – (motif of a rooster), American, ca. 1890 – 1900, yellow amber pint, smooth base, tooled mouth. A tiny 1/4” long in manufacturing stress crack is located in the area where the neck and body meet, otherwise perfect. Ex. Judge Blaske Collection.

Moore / Moore’s / Registered / (Rampant Lion) / Trade Mark / Newcastle // and / Maitland Aerated Codd Bottle – ABCR Auctions

PACIFIC CONGRESS WATER SPRINGS SARATOGA CALIFORNIA / PACIFIC CONGRESS SPRINGS on reverse with embossed running deer. Of all the jumping deer Congress Waters we’ve ever sold or have seen for that matter, this one certainly stands out as possibly the best. In fact, we sold this bottle in a 2007 auction from the Grapentine collection, and all we remember is the outrageous sum of money the buyer paid for it. Somehow we now have it safely back on our shelves and on the auction block. What makes this bottle so terrific is the fact that it lacks the often seen lip chip usually the result of an ice pick and overall is about perfect. In addition it is the only example we’ve seen in this rare olive green color. Experts will tell you lime green is the most common and so on. These have always been very popular because of the California designation clearly pointed out and all the amazing embossing and in this case, beautiful and almost impossible to find color. Grades a 9.5 with a scratch here or there, really just call it – American Bottle Auctions

Embossed rooster on Pennsauken Bottling

Embossed cod on mans back – SCOTT’S EMULSION – COD LIVER OIL – Meyer Collection

A. Rosel / Trade (Aboriginal Man holding shield and throwing Boomerang with trees, tent and woman in background) Mark / Echuca // – ABCR Auctions Aerated Water Codd Bottle

Amber NONE GENUINE WITHOUT THIS TRADEMARK, dug by Michael Dolcini in Sacramento (see aqua example below)

Embossed Greyhound: T. O. Hunter / Trade Mark / (Greyhound) / Bendigo // This bottle is the property / of T. O. Hunter Bendigo / & cannot be legally used / by others. Base Mark: M112 / M / AGM. – ABCR Auctions

PAGEMATIC FOR THE RHEUMATIC embossing of walking man – Brad Seigler

Embossed “Standing Man Gin” – Brian Shultis

Embossed Moonface: Aerated Water. G. C. Meader Prop. Ltd / Proprietors of / Franklin & Co. / Trade (Moon Face holding glass) Mark / Carbonated / Waters / Works, Balaclava. – ABCR Auctions

Bottle embossed with a sphinx, DR. MILLER’S RATAFIA DAMIANA. This is one of the few western bitters in the
shape of a whiskey bottle, a sixth to be exact. There are so few of these, they are believed to have been made in only 1879-80. – photo Ferdinand Meyer

A great embossing on a SINGLE STROKE ANTISEPTIC – Brad Seigler

Aqua NONE GENUINE WITHOUT THIS TRADEMARK – Michael Dolcini (see amber example above)

“LIQUORE DEL DIAVOLO / (motif of a devil) / E. CIABURRI E. FIGLI / NAPOLI”, Italian, ca. 1890 – 1900, red amber barrel, 9 3/4”h, smooth base, tooled mouth. The English translation is ‘Liquor of the Naples Devil’! – Glass Works Auctions

H. Tetlow / Trade (Kangaroo) Mark / Launceston – ABCR Auctions – Aerated Water Codd

Vintage PLUTO WATER Bottle, America’s Physic, Devil symbol embossed on bottom – eBay

Embossed woman on “LADIES FAVORITE” fruit jar. What is amazing with this photograph is the color of the bottle in the ladies hand. – North American Glass

Embossed sun on OBERMEYER & LIEBMANN – On November 27th 1854, a German immigrant named Samuel Liebmann purchased a brewery in Williamsburg which would become the greatest brewery in New York over the course of the next 100 years. In 1868 he retired, and in 1872 he passed away, leaving the business to his three sons, Joseph, Henry, and Charles. It is unclear which of the sons branched off to create the S. Liebmann’s Sons Brewing Co. The company was successful until 1905, when it was passed down to their grandsons. To this day, no one is sure where the name Obermeyer comes from in the companies history. – Mikes Bottle Room

Embossed motif oval with cabin in woods (Sutters Mill) CHALMER’S CATAWBA WINE BITTERS, Chalmers bought the Alhoff Vineyard. Spruance & Stanley were proprietors of the bitters 1872-1873 when vineyard discontinued growing Catawba grapes. – Forbes Collection

The codd in the middle is a Redfearn Bros manufactured bottle and the difference in the quality of the embossing compared to the other two ‘Kiner Bros’ bottles is very evident, the Redfearn bottle having a lion with a full detailed mane whilst the others just have a crude circle for it’s head! – Francis Romanowski

Embossed Indian on Antique Coppahaunk Ginger Ale Embossed Soda Bottle from Waverly, Virginia.- eBay

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JD Willoughby NY Fruit Jar, Bottle “The Ladies Favorite”

Posted on 27 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

JD Willoughby NY Fruit Jar, Bottle “The Ladies Favorite”

27 August 2012

Apple-Touch-IconADid anyone happen to see the “The Ladies Favorite” fruit jar that closed on eBay today? I love that name. Reminds me of the People’s Favorite Bitters (Read: Barrel Series – Favorite Bitters & Peoples Favorite Bitters. The pictures on eBay were rather poor. Last time I looked it was around $3,500. Description as follows:

Hello All, Here we have the rarest of Fruit Jars, I have not been able to find even ONE example of this jar. This is not the more common WM. Haller variety. Perhaps it was the one used to display JD Willoughby’s invention the patented stopple they designed. It is in great condition with lots of whittling and a dark aqua color it is 6 & 5/8ths inches tall with a 2 inch opening it appears to be a pontil top with very thin glass where it was blown into a mold 2 very small chips less than 1/16 of an inch in the very top of the jar which is in a part that is taller than the the rest of the top “see picture”. Great rare find I am sure this is a record breaker. No cracks. Two small white spots inside the glass one in the bottom the other above the L in Willoughby. Do not miss this one it is great!!!!!!!!!!!!! putnamantiquesexchange

(eBay pictures below)

(Below) Did see that Greg Spurgeon with North American Glass had sold a killer similar example in the past. The description and pictures are below.

Wm Haller Carlisle Pa THE LADIES FAVORITE
A fine example in shiny mint condition. Comes with the rare original cast iron 2-inch Willoughby stopple. This quart is one of the most appealing fruit jars created in the 19th century. The best possible example. – North American Glass

(Below) Pictorial LADIES FAVORITE Wm HALLER Jar
This jar has a repair to the mouth, but what a wonderful & appealing rarity! There is nothing else wrong with the jar….has good embossing, and shiny, whittly, crude glass. This unique example was apparently made for a cork closure, an unlisted closure variant. As opposed to the usual Willoughby stopple finish, the jar was finished with a thin-walled mouth. The repair takes in about 1/3 of the mouth finish. With the lip repair, you can own this example for a fraction of the usual cost. – North American Glass

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“THE LADIES FAVORITE” / (woman in full dress holding a jar) – “WM. L. HALLER / CARLISLE / PA.”, (SFJR #511), Pennsylvania, ca. 1860 – 1870, bluish aqua quart, smooth base, applied mouth, original ‘J.D. Willoughby Patented January 4, 1859’ two piece iron disk closure and wing nut

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Rick Ciralli – Comedic Genius Bottle Guy

Posted on 26 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

Jerry Lewis

Rick Ciralli – Comedic Genius Bottle Guy

26 August 2012

Apple-Touch-IconAThe Urban Dictionary describes Comedic Genius as “the most intensely, legit, bad-ass on the planet; a comedic genius misunderstood in his era”. In the antique bottle and glass world, where our passion rules, there are numerous characters that I have had the pleasure of meeting. This is without a doubt. It is when you mentally line up the bottle people you know, what they collect and how the interact with others, that you start noticing that some people, more than others, really jump out.

In 2003, my first year with tables at the great Baltimore Antique Bottle Show, there was this fellow behind Elizabeth and myself that chattered, smiled, joked, knew every body and was wheeling and dealing more than anything we had ever seen at any type of show. I even bought a yellow Halls Bitters that was really nice from the ‘talkin and jokin salesman’.

Hey…I got my table back….

Well next year he was not at the table. Turns out that he didn’t send his renewing contract in on time and with the Baltimore Club, you do that, you lose your spot, and boy was his table in a premier location near the entry doors to the massive show. My wife said to me, where is that real talkative guy? We actually missed him! We found him later in a back area of the cavernous room wheeling and dealing and cavorting around as usual. It was then, that we realized that this guy was a player. He somehow got another table though he could have gone to the back of the waiting list for dealers to get tables at the sold out show. Of course by now, you know I am talking about the good looking, charming, humorous, wheeler and dealer, family man and authority of early American glass, Rick Ciralli from Bristol, Connecticut.

My facebook post asking “is this a Colombian importer and his Chica Bonita?”. Rick followed up with the Chippendale jab prompting this post.

I pick on Rick here because of his recent comment to an earlier picture of us (see above) on facebook where he said something about a Chippendale Dancer which made me smile; but…..I thought, how can I get him back….

Mugging for the camera. Interesting that he usually has this face when pondering a question about Connecticut glass.

Here are some fun pictures of Rick. It should remind us that it is not only the great bottles and glass, the history and the stories that we cherish, this is also about the people that populate our wonderful glass world. We all know this. Make no mistake, Rick is a great guy. You will not meet a finer comedic dude that can switch hats at a moments notice to be one of the most knowledgeable glass guys I know.

Rather normal attire when Rick gives a Connecticut glass talk

“Who believes in this reincarnation junk anyway?” – Brian Wolff

Rick says…My wife caught me kissing a sunburst flask…That’s me sleeping under the tarp.

Not too many people can still look good eating.

Daughter mimicking father or father mimicking daughter?

Ricks cultured side. Unfortunately he was the only person at this ‘tasting’ event which does present another question.

A friend of everyone, Rick with Charles Flint

Rick’s response when we were looking for some ways to stop eBay fraud. Rick wanting to put one of his New Jersey contacts on the job.

awwl….Rick & Vicki

Hangin with my baby

Some time ago, topless juggling 2 eggs at once…amazing even to this day

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FOHBC Bottles and Extras in the mailbox Monday!

Posted on 25 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

With record speed and great teamwork from the Bottles and Extras Editorial Team,(Martin Van Zant, Bill Baab, Alan DeMaison, Randy Selenak, Dave Maryo, Gene Bradberry & Ferdinand Meyer V) I am pleased to announce that we were able to assemble a great September | October 2012 issue that is being finished and bound at the printer this weekend. This was a challenge based on the Reno Expo date and an impending publishing deadline. We did not want the Reno Expo articles in the November | December issue. Here are a few teaser opening spreads to get you fired up!

The FOHBC membership is up dramatically of late with close to 100 new members signed up at Reno and since. PLEASE become a member of the FOHBC. We are stronger as a group.

Bottles and Extras

Vol. 23 No. 5 | September – October 2012 | No. 203

Features: The California Perfume Company – Part 1 Russell L. Mills 10 Feature: Reno Expo 2012 Ferdinand Meyer V 18 Recent Auction Results Norman Heckler & Co. 36 Reno: The FOHBC Banquet Ferdinand Meyer V 38 Reno: The Shootout Pam Selenak 42 Reno: The Expo Displays and Displayers Bob Ferraro 48 Henry’s Bottling Works in What Cheer, Iowa Bill Baab 57 Reno: By Rail or Bust Alan DeMaison 58

Vignettes: Shards of Wisdom 4 In Remembrance 6

Departments: FOHBC Business & News | FOHBC Officer Listing 2012-2014 2 President’s Message 3 Classified Ads & Ad Rate Info 64 FOHBC Show-Biz, Show Calendar Listings 66 Membership Directory 70 Membership Application 72

Just a few of the great articles you will see in the next issue of Bottles and Extras!

Reno Expo Feature Article

The FOHBC Banquet Article

Displays and Displayers Article

Shootout Article

Reno by Rail or Bust Article

The California Perfume Company – Part 1

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Could this be a Texaco Gasoline Bottle?

Posted on 24 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

Incoming question about a bottle.

Thank you for the kind reply. Here are some pics of the Water Jug. Thick green, lots of bubbles, mold marks and striations and a nice deep Olive Green. It’s approx 18 and a half inches by 11 inches. Has wear, and looks like it has age, not a newer piece in my option. I tried to take a pic of what I think says “Texaco” on the bottem but it is very faint. The person I bought it from said it might have been a Gasoline Jug. I really appreciate this. Thank you again, Nick.

From my friend and Texas bottle authority Brad Seigler:

I have looked at that texaco jug til my eyes crossed. If it is embossed Texaco, it is a great item. Even trying to resesrch for a Texaco item comes up empty. Either way I think it is great.

Comments from facebook:

Marianne Dow: “I would bet it says Mexico.”

Rick DeMarsh: “I am with Marianne as the top is not allowable for even very old kerosene bottles IE for stoves…drip style and with something that size full would be hefty and in any kind of enviorment garage or home the base wear would be pretty heavy i’m thinking. Just my opinion”

Michael Dolcini: “I can remember getting gas in one gallon jugs with handle.”

[Wikipedia] Texaco (“The Texas Company”) is the name of an American oil retail brand. Its flagship product is its fuel “Texaco with Techron”. It also owns the Havoline motor oil brand.
Texaco was an independent company until it merged into Chevron Corporation in 2001. It began as the Texas Fuel Company, founded in 1901 in Beaumont, Texas, by Joseph S. Cullinan, Thomas J. Donoghue, Walter Benona Sharp, and Arnold Schlaet upon the discovery of oil at Spindletop. For many years, Texaco was the only company selling gasoline under the same brand name in all 50 US states, as well as Canada, making it the most truly national brand among its competitors. Its current logo features a white star in a red circle (a reference to the lone star of Texas), leading to the long-running advertising jingles “You can trust your car to the man who wears the star” and “Star of the American Road.” The company was headquartered in Harrison, New York, near White Plains, prior to the merger with Chevron.

Texaco Founding through 1930s

1901 – Founded in Beaumont, Texas. Known as the Texas Fuel Company.

1905 – Texaco establishes an operation in Antwerp, Belgium, under the name Continental Petroleum Company.

1913 – Texaco acquires control of the Central Petroleum Company.

1914 – Occupied new offices in Houston on the corner of San Jacinto and Rusk.

1928 – Texaco becomes the first U.S. oil company to sell its gasoline nationwide under one single brand name in all 48 states (50 states after Alaska and Hawaii joined the Union in 1959).

1931 – The Texas Company (Texaco’s corporate name) purchases Indian Oil Company, based in Illinois, a move that expands Texaco’s refining and marketing base in the Midwest and also gives Texaco the rights to Indian’s manufacturing processes of Havoline “Wax Free” motor oil, which becomes a Texaco product and provides the company with a higher-quality motor oil product.

1932 – Texaco introduces Fire Chief gasoline nationwide, a motor fuel that meets the octane requirements for fire engines, and promotes it through a radio program over NBC hosted by Ed Wynn, the “Texaco Fire Chief.”

1936 – Texaco begins supplying the Nationalist rebels in Spain with oil, and continues to do so for the duration of the war, delivering some 3,500,000 barrels.

1936 – Marketing operations east of Suez (including Asia, East Africa, and Australasia) are placed into a joint venture with Standard Oil Company of California – Socal (Chevron) under the brand name Caltex, in exchange for Socal placing its Bahrain refinery and Arabian oilfields into the venture.

1937 – Texaco commissions industrial designer Walter Dorwin Teague to develop a modern service station design. The resulting “Teague” Texaco station design is a functional white building with green trimmings featuring one or more service bays for “Washing”, “Marfak Lubrication”, etc., an office area with large plate glass window for display of tires, batteries, and accessories, along with “Men” and “Ladies” restrooms featuring Texaco-green tile walls and floors. The Teague station design is typically built of white porcelain tile but local and regional variations could include painted brick, concrete brick, and stucco materials. Other features include red Texaco stars on the upper facade on outer sidewalls and above the service bays, and red lettering spelling out “TEXACO” above the office area. Stations are identified by the street from Texaco’s “banjo” sign.

1938 – Texaco introduces Sky Chief gasoline, a premium grade fuel developed from the ground up as a high-octane gasoline rather than just an ethylized regular product. Sky Chief is dispensed from a silver gas pump in contrast with the red pump used for Fire Chief gasoline – a move that lasts many years until the early 1960s. 1939 Texaco tanker truck by Dodge on display at the Henry Ford Museum.

1939 – Texaco becomes one of the first oil companies to introduce a “Registered Rest Room” program to ensure that restroom facilities at all Texaco stations nationwide maintained a standard level of cleanliness to the motoring public. The “Registered Rest Room” program is later copied by other oil companies and continued at Texaco until the energy crises of the 1970s, which was caused by oil embargoes.

The old-style Texaco gas stations, the ones that were painted white with forest-green streamline stripes and a free-standing post bearing the red Texaco star logo on a white disk, were designed by Walter Dorwin Teague (also known for designing the Kodak Brownie camera and a host of other streamlined artifacts). In his book “Design This Day” (1940) Teague shows his original work for Texaco, the exhibition hall he designed for them at the Texas Centennial fair in 1935, plus photos of the small gas stations which were built cookie-cutter-like all over America.

Texaco Gas Filling Station – rusty 1930’s Dodge tow truck, vintage Texaco sign and an old gas pump. Near Wheatland in NW Oregon – flickr

Beautifully engraved certificate from the Texaco Oil Company issued from 1974 – 1978. This historic document was printed by the American Banknote Company and has an ornate border around it with a vignette of oil derricks, factories, and a seaport with a ship next to the dock. This item has the printed signatures of the Companyís President and Secretary.

Vintage Texaco Oil Bottles

Texaco oil salesman sample bottles with carrying/display case, good condition, very small chip on bottom of one bottle (barely noticable). Each bottle has a different oil sample and label: heavy, extra-heavy, medium, light, and “winner”. Three bottles posses original corks, two without. Each contains original oil samples

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Hentz’s Curative Bitters – Unlisted Variant Found

Posted on 23 August 2012 by Ferdinand Meyer V

HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS without the expected embossed “PHILADELPHIA”

Hentz’s Curative Bitters – Unlisted Variant Found

23 August 2012 (R•040919)

Apple-Touch-IconAIncoming email and pictures from Bill Ham, author of Bitters Bottles and Bitters Bottles Supplement.

Ferdinand: Here is an unlisted variant of the HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS. It looks like H 88 but doesn’t have PHILADELPHIA embossed.

Bill received the following communication in a previous email:

“Does NOT have any town; only HENTZ’S /CURATIVE BITTERS [on 2 indented panels]. Watson says the color is lime [I call it pale green] and I bought it for a scarce bottle & paid dearly for it, because of it’s clarity & shelf/display appeal. The deceased owner paid in his log $75 for it way back in 1968 and that was pretty big money. I want $300 for it & will send pics to any interested collector as I’m not a bittersman but like minty glass stuff.”

The Carlyn Ring and W.C. Ham original listing in Bitters Bottles is as follows:

H 88  Hentz’s  Curative Bitters Philadelphia
HENTZ’S // CURATIVE / BITTERS // PHILADELPHIA // f //
9 5/8 x 2 3/4 (7 3/8) 3/8
Square, Aqua and Clear, LTCR, Tooled lip, 3 sp, Scarce

The new listing by Bill Ham for the forthcoming Bitters Bottles Supplement 2:

H 88.5  Hentz’s  Curative Bitters
HENTZ’S // CURATIVE / BITTERS // f // f // b // x
9 x 2 1/2
Square, Aqua, LTC, Applied mouth, 2 sp, Extremely rare
Two sides have embossing peened out

Which Hentz are we talking about?

Looking online, I found the following information for two different Hentz’s which is puzzling. Maybe one of you have some more definitive information so we can confirm which Hentz marketed and sold the HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS.

Henry J. Hentz and Percy Hentz listed with White, Hentz & Co. in Philadelphia. William A. Hentz & Co. also listed in Philadelphia Directory.

WILLIAM A. HENTZ
Philadelphia, PA.
1871-1893

Succeeded by Wm. Wilkinson (Boyd’s). A letterhead from 1885 shows the company to be Wm. A. Hentz and Wm. C. Wilkinson, Importers and wholesale dealers in wines and liquors. Manufacturers of and wholesale depot for Scheetz’s Celebrated Bitter Cordial. Agents for Jules Mumm & Co. Champagnes.

Percy Hentz, son and partner of the firm’s founder must have had a falling out with Wilkinson. He set up next door and claimed to be “The only HENTZ on 3rd St”.
Mida shows the “Stylus Club Pure Rye Whiskey” trademark used since 1/1/1891.

Stylus Club Pure Rye Whiskey paper weight

The company used the brand names: “Stylus Club”, and “W. H. & Co. Rye Est. 1793.”

Business name timeline: William A Hentz (1871-1877), William A Hentz & Co (1878-1893) then became Wm Wilkinson..

Address timeline: 258 N 3 rd (1871-1877), 139 N 3 rd (1878-1893)

Stylus Club Pure Rye Whiskey advertisement

I also found the following listing for another Hentz in Philadelphia:

WHITE, HENTZ & CO.
Philadelphia, PA.
1793-1918

Est. 1793., 1907 letterhead shows J. Henry Hentz Jr. and Wm. R. W. Hentz as proprietors (J = Jacob). 1884 letterheads cite J. Henry Hentz & J. P. Robinett. Represented in NY by D. Lieber, 17 S William Street. Importers and wholesale dealers in wines & liquors.

The business was established in 1793 by Philip Wager. In 1810 it became Van Syckel & Garrison and following the retirement of Mr. Garrison, Van Sykel & Sons. In 1849, Wm. R White and J. Henry Hentz formed the partnership. The name stayed but by 1895, J. Henry Hentz and J. Henry Hentz Jr. were the partners. Hentz senior was born in Philadelphia and traveled extensively in Europe. His son joined the business after graduating from the University of Pennsylvania and became a partner in 1885. Trimble Whiskey was introduced around 1830. The business grew to have branches in New York (at the above address) and also in Washington DC, first at 1200 Pennsylvania Ave (ca. 1892), later in the Glover Building, 1419 F Street, N.W. (1895). The Philadelphia base “extended back to Bread Street, a distance of 200 feet, the receiving and shipping being done in the rear”. 224 2nd St was erected in 1793 and then 222 in 1860. (includes a photo). Mida has the “WHCo – Estbd -1793” in use since 1884. The first electric sign in NY Times square advertised Trimble Whiskey.

The company used the brand names: “Monogram Pennsylvania Rye”, “Pennsylvania Monogram Rye”, “Trimble”, “W. H. & Co.”, and “White Hentz & Co..”

Business name timeline: White, Hentz & Co.

Address timeline: 222-224 N 2nd (1870-1918)

Philadelphia and Popular Philadelphians

HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS without the expected embossed “PHILADELPHIA”

HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS without the expected embossed “PHILADELPHIA”

HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS without the expected embossed “PHILADELPHIA”

HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS (H 88) with embossed ‘PHILADELPHIA’ – Meyer Collection

H 89  HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS (Sample)
FREE SAMPLE / HENTZ’S CURATIVE / BITTERS // f // f // f //
4 1/4 x 1 1/2 (2 7/8) 1/4
Square, Aqua, LTCR, Scarce

Sample size HENTZ’S CURATIVE BITTERS (H 89) – Meyer Collection

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